Questioner: Is the
witness-consciousness permanent or not?
Maharaj: It is not permanent. The
knower rises and sets with the known. That in which both the knower
and the known arise and set, is beyond time. The words permanent or
eternal do not apply.
Q: In sleep there is neither the known,
nor the knower. What keeps the body sensitive and receptive?
M: Surely you cannot say the knower was
absent. The experience of things and thoughts was not there, that is
all. But the absence of experience too is experience. It is like
entering a dark room and saying: 'I see nothing'. A man blind from
birth knows not what darkness means. Similarly, only the knower knows
that he does not know. Sleep is merely a lapse in memory. Life goes
on.
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Q: What is the new factor you want me
to bring in?
M: The attitude of pure witnessing, of
watching the events without taking part in them.
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All you need to do is to cease taking
yourself to be within the field of consciousness.
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M: Develop the witness attitude and you
will find in your own experience that detachment brings control. The
state of witnessing is full of power, there is nothing passive about
it.
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Q: By 'oneself' do you mean the daily
self?
M: Yes, the person, which alone is
objectively observable. The observer is beyond observation. What is
observable is not the real self.
Q: I can always observe the observer,
in endless recession.
M: You can observe the observation, but
not the observer. You know you are the ultimate observer by direct
insight, not by a logical process based on observation. You are what
you are, but you know what you are not.
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M: In reality the disciple is not
different from the Guru. He is the same dimensionless centre of
perception and love in action. It is only his imagination and
self-identification with the imagined, that encloses him and
converts him into a person. The Guru is concerned little with the
person. His attention is on the inner watcher. It is the task of the
watcher to understand and thereby eliminate the person. While there
is grace on one side, there must be dedication to the task on the
other.
Q: But the person does not want to be
eliminated.
M: The person is merely the result of a
misunderstanding. In reality, there is no such thing. Feelings,
thoughts and actions race before the watcher in endless succession,
leaving traces in the brain and creating an illusion of continuity. A
reflection of the watcher in the mind creates the sense of 'I' and
the person acquires an apparently independent existence. In reality
there is no person, only the watcher identifying himself with the 'I'
and the 'mine'. The teacher tells the watcher: you are not this,
there is nothing of yours in this, except the little point of 'I am',
which is the bridge between the watcher and his dream. ‘I am this,
I am that' is dream, while pure 'I am' has the stamp of reality on
it. You have tasted so many things -- all came to naught. Only the
sense 'I am' persisted -- unchanged. Stay with the changeless among
the changeful, until you are able to go beyond.
Q: When will it happen?
M: It will happen as soon as you remove
the obstacles.
Q: Which obstacles?
M: Desire for the false and fear of the
true.
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Q: Can the witness be without the
things to witness?
M: There is always something to
witness. If not a thing, then its absence. Witnessing is natural and
no problem. The problem is excessive interest, leading to
self-identification. Whatever you are engrossed in you take to be
real.
Q: Is the 'I am' real or unreal? Is the
'I am' the witness? Is the witness real or unreal?
M: What is pure, unalloyed, unattached,
is real. What is tainted, mixed up, dependent and transient is
unreal. Do not be misled by words -- one word may convey several and
even contradictory meanings. The 'I am’ that pursues the pleasant
and shuns the unpleasant is false; the 'I am' that sees pleasure and
pain as inseparable sees rightly. The witness that is enmeshed in
what he perceives is the person; the witness who stands aloof,
unmoved and untouched, is the watch-tower of the real, the point at
which awareness, inherent in the unmanifested, contacts the
manifested. There can be no universe without the witness, there can
be no witness without the universe.
Q: Time consumes the world. Who is the
witness of time?
M: He who is beyond time -- the
Un-nameable. A glowing ember, moved round and round quickly enough,
appears as a glowing circle. When the movement ceases, the ember
remains. Similarly, the 'I am' in movement creates the world. The 'I
am' at peace becomes the Absolute.
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Maharaj: There is the body. Inside the
body appears to be an observer and outside -- a world under
observation. The observer and his observation as well as the world
observed all appear and disappear together. Beyond it all, there is
void. This void is one for all.
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Why is there so much suffering in the
world?
M: If you stand aloof as observer only,
you will not suffer. You will see the world as a show. a most entertaining show indeed.
Q: Oh, no! This lila theory I shall not
have. The suffering is too acute and all-pervading. What a perversion
to be entertained by a spectacle of suffering! What a cruel God are
you offering me!
M: The cause of suffering is in the
identification of the perceiver with the perceived. Out of it desire
is born and with desire blind action, unmindful of results. Look
round and you will see -- suffering is a man-made thing.
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Q: Then why do we talk of it?
M: Because it is there. The bridge
serves one purpose only -- to cross over. You don't build houses on a
bridge. The 'I am' looks at things, the witness sees through them. It
sees them as they are -- unreal and transient. To say 'not me, not
mine' is the task of the witness.
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M: Once you realise that all happens by
itself, (call it destiny, or the will of God or mere accident), you
remain as witness only, understanding and enjoying, but not
perturbed.
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M: The mind shapes the language and the
language shapes the mind. Both are tools, use them but don’t misuse
them. Words can bring you only unto their own limit; to go beyond,
you must abandon them. Remain as the silent witness only.
Q: How can I? The world disturbs me
greatly.
M: It is because you think yourself big
enough to be affected by the world.
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M: A ray of awareness illumines a part
of our mind and that part becomes our dream or waking consciousness,
while awareness appears as the witness. The witness usually knows
only consciousness. Sadhana consists in the witness turning back
first on his conscious, then upon himself in his own awareness.
Self-awareness is Yoga.
Q: If awareness is all-pervading, then
a blind man, once realised, can see?
M: You are mixing sensation with
awareness. The jnani knows himself as he is. He is also aware of his
body being crippled and his mind being deprived of a range of sensory
perceptions. But he is not affected by the availability of eyesight,
nor by its absence.
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