M: A man who moves with the earth will
necessarily experience days and nights. He who stays with the sun
will know no darkness. My world is not yours. As I see it, you all
are on a stage performing. There is no reality about your comings and
goings. And your problems are so unreal!
Q: We may be sleep-walkers, or subject
to nightmares. Is there nothing you can do?
M: I am doing: I did enter your
dreamlike state to tell you -- "Stop hurting yourself and
others, stop suffering, wake up".
*
M: Take dream for an example. In a
hospital there may be many patients, all sleeping, all dreaming, each
dreaming his own private, personal dreams unrelated, unaffected,
having one single factor in common -- illness. Similarly, we have
divorced ourselves in our imagination from the real world of common
experience and enclosed ourselves in a cloud of personal desire and
fears, images and thoughts, ideas and concepts.
Q: This I can understand. But what
could be the cause of the tremendous variety of the personal worlds?
M: The variety is not so great. All the
dreams are superimposed over a common world. To some extent they
shape and influence each other.
*
Q: If I start the practice of
dismissing everything as a dream where will it lead me?
M: Wherever it leads you, it will be a
dream. The very idea of going beyond the dream is illusory. Why go
anywhere? Just realise that you are dreaming a dream you call the
world, and stop looking for ways out. The dream is not your problem.
Your problem is that you like one part of your dream and not another.
Love all, or none of it, and stop complaining. When you have seen the
dream as a dream, you have done all that needs be done.
*
Joy and sorrow life and death, they all
are real to the man in bondage; to me they are all in the show, as
unreal as the show itself. I may perceive the world just like you,
but you believe to be in it, while I see it as an iridescent drop in
the vast expanse of consciousness.
*
Or, take another example. We wake and
we sleep. After a day's work sleep comes. Now, do I go to sleep or
does inadvertence -- characteristic of the sleeping state -- come to
me? In other words -- we are awake because we are asleep. We do not
wake up into a really waking state. In the waking state the world
emerges due to ignorance and takes one into a waking-dream state.
Both sleep and waking are misnomers. We are only dreaming. True
waking and true sleeping only the jnani knows. We dream that we are
awake, we dream that we are asleep. The three states are only
varieties of the dream state. Treating everything as a dream
liberates. As long as you give reality to dreams, you are their
slave. By imagining that you are born as so-and-so, you become a
slave to the so-and- so. The essence of slavery is to imagine
yourself to be a process, to have past and future, to have history.
In fact, we have no history, we are not a process, we do not develop,
nor decay; also see all as a dream and stay out of it.
*
Q: You seem to take for granted that
there can be a dream without a dreamer and that I identify myself
with the dream of my own sweet will. But I am the dreamer and the
dream too. Who is to stop dreaming?
M: Let the dream unroll itself to its
very end. You cannot help it. But you can look at the dream as a
dream, refuse it the stamp of reality.
Q: Here am I, sitting before you. I am
dreaming and you are watching me talking in my dream. What is the
link between us?
M: My intention to wake you up is the
link. My heart wants you awake. I see you suffer in your dream and I
know that you must wake up to end your woes. When you see your dream
as dream, you wake up. But in your dream itself I am not interested.
Enough for me to know that you must wake up. You need not bring your
dream to a definite conclusion, or make it noble, or happy, or
beautiful; all you need is to realise that you are dreaming. Stop
imagining, stop believing. See the contradictions, the incongruities,
the falsehood and the sorrow of the human state, the need to go
beyond. Within the immensity of space floats a tiny atom of
consciousness and in it the entire universe is contained.
Q: There are affections in the dream
which seem real and everlasting. Do they disappear on waking up?
M: In dream you love some and not
others. On waking up you find you are love itself, embracing all.
Personal love, however intense and genuine, invariably binds; love in
freedom is love of all.
*
Q: Our common world, in which we live.
M: Are you sure we live in the same
world? I do not mean nature, the sea and the land, plants and
animals. They are not the problem, nor the endless space, the
infinite time, the inexhaustible power. Do not be misled by my eating
and smoking, reading and talking. My mind is not here, my life is not
here. Your world, of desires and their fulfilments, of fears and
their escapes, is definitely not my world. I do not even perceive it,
except through what you tell me about it. It is your private dream
world and my only reaction to it is to ask you to stop dreaming.
Q: Surely, wars and revolutions are not
dreams. Sick mothers and starving children are not dreams. Wealth,
ill-gotten and misused, is not a dream.
M: What else?
Q: A dream cannot be shared.
M: Nor can the waking state. All the
three states -- of waking, dreaming and sleeping – are subjective,
personal, intimate. They all happen to and are contained within the
little bubble in consciousness, called 'I'. The real world lies
beyond the self.
Q: Self or no self, facts are real.
M: Of course facts are real! I live
among them. But you live with fancies, not with facts. Facts never
clash, while your life and world are full of contradictions.
Contradiction is the mark of the false; the real never contradicts
itself.
For instance, you complain that people
are abjectly poor. Yet you do not share your riches with them. You
mind the war next door, but you hardly give it a thought when it is
in some far off country. The shifting fortunes of your ego determine
your values; 'I think', 'I want', 'I must' are made into absolutes.
Q: Nevertheless, the evil is real.
M: Not more real than you are. Evil is
in the wrong approach to problems created by misunderstanding and
misuse. It is a vicious circle.
Q: Can the circle be broken?
M: A false circle need not be broken.
It is enough to see it as it is – non-existent.
Q: But, real enough to make us submit
to and inflict indignities and atrocities.
M: Insanity is universal. Sanity is
rare. Yet there is hope, because the moment we perceive our insanity,
we are on the way to sanity. This is the function of the Guru -- to
make us see the madness of our daily living. Life makes you
conscious, but the teacher makes you aware.
*
You merely dream that you roam about.
In a few years your stay in India will appear as a dream to you. You
will dream some other dream at that time. Do realise that it is not
you who moves from dream to dream, but the dreams flow before you and
you are the immutable witness. No happening affects your real being
-- this is the absolute truth.
*
Q: We, Europeans, find it very
difficult to keep quiet. The world is too much with us.
M: Oh, no, you are dreamers too. We
differ only in the contents of our dreams. You are after perfection
-- in the future. We are intent on finding it -- in the now. The
limited only is perfectible. The unlimited is already perfect. You
are perfect, only you don't know it. Learn to know yourself and you
will discover wonders.
*
M: In the question ‘Who am I?’ the
‘I’ is not known and the question can be worded as: “I do not
know what I mean by ‘I’” What you are, you must find out. I can
only tell you what you are not. You are not of the world, you are not
even in the world. The world is not, you alone are. You create the
world in your imagination like a dream. As you cannot separate the
dream from yourself, so you cannot have an outer world independent of
yourself. You are independent, not the world. Don’t be afraid of a
world you yourself have created. Cease from looking for happiness and
reality in a dream and you will wake up. You need not know ‘why’
and ‘how’, there is no end to questions. Abandon all desires,
keep your mind silent and you shall discover.
*
Questioner: Do you experience the three
states of waking, dreaming and sleeping just as we do, or otherwise?
Maharaj: All the three states are sleep
to me. My waking state is beyond them. As I look at you, you all seem
asleep, dreaming up words of your own. I am aware, for I imagine
nothing. It is not samadhi which is but a kind of sleep. It is just a
state unaffected by the mind, free from the past and future. In your
case it is distorted by desire and fear, by memories and hopes; in
mine it is as it is -- normal. To be a person is to be asleep.
*
Q: You keep on telling me that I am
dreaming and that it is high time I should wake up. How does it
happen that the Maharaj, who has come to me in my dreams, has not
succeeded in waking me up? He keeps on urging and reminding, but the
dream continues.
M: It is because you have not really
understood that you are dreaming. This is the essence of bondage --
the mixing of the real with unreal. In your present state only the
sense 'I am' refers to reality; the 'what' and the 'how I am' are
illusions imposed by destiny, or accident.
Q: When did the dream begin?
M: It appears to be beginningless, but
in fact it is only now. From moment to moment you are renewing it.
Once you have seen that you are dreaming, you shall wake up. But you
do not see, because you want the dream to continue. A day will come
when you will long for the ending of the dream, with all your heart
and mind, and be willing to pay any price; the price will be
dispassion and detachment, the loss of interest in the dream itself.
Q: How helpless I am. As long as the
dream of existence lasts, I want it to continue. As long as I want it
to continue, it will last.
M: Wanting it to continue is not
inevitable. See clearly your condition, your very clarity will
release you.
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