Q: You say you are free. Of what are
you free? For heaven's sake, don't feed me on words, enlighten me,
help me to wake up, since it is you who sees me tossing in my sleep.
M: When I say I am free, I merely state
a fact. If you are an adult, you are free from infancy. I am free from all description and
identification. Whatever you may hear, see, or think of, I am not
that. I am free from being a percept, or a
concept.
Q: Still, you have a body and you
depend on it.
M: Again you assume that your point of
view is the only correct one. I repeat: I was not, am not, shall not
be a body. To me this is a fact. I too was under the illusion of
having been born, but my Guru made me see that birth and death are
mere ideas -- birth is merely the idea: 'I have a body'. And death --
'I have lost my body'. Now, when I know I am not a body, the body may
be there or may not -- what difference does it make?
*
Q: If I am free, why am I in a body?
M: you are not in the body, the body is
in you! The mind is in you. They happen to you. They are there
because you find them interesting. Your very nature has the infinite
capacity to enjoy. It is full of zest and affection. It sheds its
radiance on all that comes within its focus of awareness and nothing
is excluded. It does not know evil nor ugliness, it hopes, it trusts,
it loves. You people do not know how much you miss by not knowing
your own true self. You are neither the body nor the mind, neither
the fuel nor the fire. They appear and disappear according to their
own laws.
That which you are, your true self, you
love it, and whatever you do, you do for your own happiness. To find it, to know it, to cherish it
is your basic urge. Since time immemorial you loved yourself, but
never wisely. Use your body and mind wisely in the service of the
self, that is all. Be true to your own self, love your self
absolutely. Do not pretend that you love others as yourself. Unless
you have realised them as one with yourself, you cannot love them
Don't pretend to be what you are not, don't refuse to be what you
are. Your love of others is the result of self-knowledge, not its
cause. Without self-realisation, no virtue is genuine. When you know
beyond all doubting that the same life flows through all that is and
you are that life, you will love all naturally and spontaneously.
When you realise the depth and fullness of your love of yourself, you
know that every living being and the entire universe are included in
your affection. But when you look at anything as separate from you,
you cannot love it for you are afraid of it. Alienation causes fear
and fear deepens alienation. It is a vicious circle. Only
self-realisation can break it. Go for it resolutely.
*
M: Sex is an acquired habit. Go beyond.
As long as your focus is on the body, you will remain in the clutches
of food and sex, fear and death. Find yourself and be free.
*
Q: You are aware of eternity, therefore
you are not concerned with survival.
M: It is the other way round. Freedom
from all desire is eternity. All attachment implies fear, for all
things are transient. And fear makes one a slave. This freedom from
attachment does not come with practice; it is natural, when one knows
one's true being. Love does not cling; clinging is not love.
*
Q: Is self-realisation so important?
M: Without it you will be consumed by
desires and fears, repeating themselves meaninglessly in endless
suffering. Most of the people do not know that there can be an end to
pain. But once they have heard the good news, obviously going beyond
all strife and struggle is the most urgent task that can be. You know
that you can be free and now it is up to you. Either you remain
forever hungry and thirsty, longing, searching, grabbing, holding,
ever losing and sorrowing, or go out whole-heartedly in search of the
state of timeless perfection to which nothing can be added, from
which nothing -- taken away. In it all desires and fears are absent,
not because they were given up, but because they have lost their
meaning.
*
Q: Don't we reach the Absolute through
a gradation of experiences? Beginning with the grossest, we end with
the most sublime.
M: There can be no experience without
desire for it. There can be gradation between desires, but between
the most sublime desire and the freedom from all desire there is an
abyss which must be crossed. The unreal may look real, but it is
transient. The real is not afraid of time.
*
Freedom comes through renunciation. All
possession is bondage.
*
Q: How long will it take me to get free
of the mind?
M: It may take a thousand years, but
really no time is required. All you need is to be in dead earnest.
Here the will is the deed. If you are sincere, you have it. After
all, it is a matter of attitude. Nothing stops you from being a jnani
here and now, except fear. You are afraid of being impersonal, of
impersonal being. It is all quite simple. Turn away from your desires
and fears and from the thoughts they create and you are at once in
your natural state.
*
Q: All I want is to be free.
M: You must know two things: What are
you to be free from and what keeps you bound.
*
Q: I am free to choose my limitations.
M: You must be free first. To be free
in the world you must be free of the world. Otherwise your past
decides for you and your future. Between what had happened and what
must happen you are caught. Call it destiny or karma, but never --
freedom. First return to your true being and then act from the heart
of love.
*
M: Be like the chick that pecks at the
shell. Speculating about life outside the shell would have been of
little use to it, but pecking at the shell breaks the shell from
within and liberates the chick. Similarly, break the mind from within
by investigation and exposure of its contradictions and absurdities.
Q: The longing to break the shell,
where does it come from?
M: From the unmanifested.
*
M: The reward of self-knowledge is
freedom from the personal self.
*
Q: Your assumption that we are in a
dream state makes your position unassailable. Whatever objection we
raise, you just deny its validity. One cannot discuss with you!
M: The desire to discuss is also mere
desire. The desire to know, to have the power, even the desire to
exist are desires only. Everybody desires to be, to survive, to
continue, for no one is sure of himself. But everybody is immortal.
You make yourself mortal by taking yourself to be the body.
Q: Since you have found your freedom,
will you not give me a little of it?
M: Why little? Take the whole. Take it,
it is there for the taking. But you are afraid of freedom!
*
M: Then, even in the body you are not
born. To be embodied or bodyless is the same to you. You reach a
point when nothing can happen to you. Without body, you cannot be
killed; without possessions you cannot be robbed; without mind, you
cannot be deceived. There is no point where a desire or fear can hook
on. As long as no change can happen to you, what else matters?
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